Tag: psionics

In the Company of Sentient Machines – nachttour – Homestuck [Archive of Our Own]

Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Homestuck
Rating: Not Rated
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: The Handmaid/The Psiioniic | The Helmsman
Characters: Roxy Lalonde, Dave Strider, Sollux Captor, The Psiioniic | The Helmsman, The Handmaid (Homestuck)
Additional Tags: therapy in space!, old trolls are old, discussions of wanting to die, darkfic a little

In the Company of Sentient Machines – nachttour – Homestuck [Archive of Our Own]

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zenosanalytic:

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zelda64l:

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Brawler would probably be Indigos because they are described as being inherently strong, which confirms this trait is caste-wide and not just limited to Equius.

Yeah, could be!

I actually kind of dislike how Hiveswap is making all the traits of the Homestuck trolls out to be caste-specific.  Like, some, sure, but all of them?  Kind of retconning all of their uniqueness as individuals.

Yeah, and I could’ve sworn it was specified in Homestuck that these traits were unique or at the very least, rare.

Traits such as:
Mind Control in Cobaltbloods (Vriska’s powers are rare and only seen in Cobalts)
Extreme Strength (Was implied to be an Equius only thing.)

Traits such as Animal Communion, Telekinesis, and Psionics, and chucklevoodoos, however, were implied to be common place in their respective castes.

Also, and I don’t know how this will go, but, I remember Aranea sharing details on gender ratios in blood castes.
Jades are more likely to be female, Cobalts to be male, Indigoes to be male, and Purples to be male.

Aranea didn’t say anything about gender, pretty sure.  We know that jade-bloods are always female from when we originally meet Kanaya, and Porrim was the one who said that “highbloods” other than Tyrian are more commonly male, but we don’t know which highbloods she meant.  I had a headcanon that involved most of Gamzee’s and Eridan’s castes being male, but I don’t think anything was said about Vriska’s caste at any point.  I don’t suspect it will matter, since we’re unlikely to meet enough trolls that demographics like that are actually meaningful.

Yeah, I figured most of them were unique from all the talk about “mutation” in Hivebent, and also the outsized roles their Ancestors played in Alternian history. Though I suppose, given Xefros’s constant refrain about how piddly his powers are(though there are other explanations for that), that what made the Player Ancestors stand out was the scale of their abilities and the level of control they had over them. That’s pretty explicit with the Psiioniic in particular, since Condy’s ship is said to be the fastest in the fleet a handful of times, implying most psionics are less able than Mituna and Sollux.

I think Hiveswap still leaves some wiggle room for powers being varied, though maybe in a sort of “general mutations for bloodcaste” way rather than by individual. I don’t recall Xefros saying anything about being able to commune with the dead or summon ghosts so Aradia’s abilities, beyond being much stronger than Xefros’s, may also be broader. Or maybe we’ll see him contact the dead in later acts.

There is another explanation of course: that all Troll psionics have the same source and can do the same wide range of stuff, but different castes are socialized to use/specialize in them differently, and different applications are difficult or dangerous without the proper training. Or, as with humans and languages, Trolls have the easiest time learning their psionic abilities when they’re young, and a progressively harder time the older they get without expanding those abilities. If that were the case, it’d provide a non-Role-related reason for Condy being able to use all the abilities of the other Troll Ancestors.

Yes!  Our HIvebent trolls are larger than life.  They were created in a special, confusing, and perhaps internally inconsistent way involving mobius timeloops and then they created a universe.  It makes perfect sense for them to have abilities that are considered extraordinary for trolls, have special important ancestors, etc.  And it works a lot better for me if most of the lowblood psychic powers are not all that special.  Mainly what bothers me about Hiveswap is that stuff like Equius’s super strength, or Nepeta’s catgirl schtick, etc. are getting ported over.

I wondered about Xefros’s ghost communion abilities, since he did mention that that was also a rustblood thing, but maybe they are passive and will show up later.  It seems like too big of a Chekhov’s gun to mention that at the beginning of the Xefros part and then not revisit it again.

I don’t know if the socialized troll powers holds up, but it’s an interesting idea.  At the very least, we do have castes that are at least more likely to have powers (otherwise they would probably have given the powers to green/bluebloods instead of lowbloods), but maybe telekinesis and Sollux’s blasting ability were considered the tamest powers when other options involve mind control?  Or come to think of it, don’t Tyrians not have powers at all?  Seems an odd thing.  Maybe seadwellers never had powers in the first place.

A critical period for psychic powers implies that trolls would have some powers that they use “natively” but could learn other powers with less effectiveness, which definitely sounds interesting, but it goes back to the same problem that exists with troll language learning, which is how are they acquired?  Not from lususes, obviously.

Yeah. Since we’re already in headcanon territory, one possible explanation for why low-bloods would be trained with the more active powers could be that  psionics come with a steep physical cost; that these flashier abilities not only eat up more calories in-the-moment, but also damage the biological systems of those using them, thus shortening their lives. There’s some good evidence for the damage part with the Captors, at least, though not really with anyone else. The idea would be that the highblood powers, in being more subtle or passive(assuming Indigo Strength and Tyrian Strength/longevity are some sort of psionic self-buff), either don’t take as much out of their user or actively prolong their lives. Purple chucklevoodoos, in only being able to push emotions and mindsets, would fit in with this, being less active than the full mindjacks of Ceruleans and, debatably, more subtle than the super-strength of Indigos(and assuming Purples aren’t just as stronger, or stronger, than Indigos, in which case the idea wouldn’t work).

The wrinkle there would be teal and olive bloods. One could suggest a sort of passive psionic awareness/tracking ability for olives, or maybe psionically heightened senses, but Terezi’s insight is explicitly intellectual, and her synesthesia taught to her by her lusus. So presumably, if high-bloods were taught more passive/subtle abilities to avoid the ravages of the more active ones, then Teals and Olives(even if you hc Teals as having psionic abilities) would have life-spans equivalent to Indigos and Purples(with Violets still more long-lived due to their oceanic biology, lower body-temp, and life typically spent at lower-temperatures). The temp issue, how temp and metabolism often play into life-span, could also present a wrinkle, but there are enough examples of long-lived warm-bloods and short-lived cold-bloods on Earth that it wouldn’t be insurmountable, I think. Or you could just avoid both probs by saying Teals and Olives DO naturally have lifespans equivalent to Jade and High-bloods, but they’re slowly poisoned over the course of their lives to make sure they die from “old age” at a time appropriate to their caste-position. Personally, I tend to be one of those who thinks Jadebloods must have highblood-equivalent lifespans if there’s ever been an appreciable number of them in existence, given how few are born, but folks who subscribe to the caste system being a steady logarithmic(iirc?) progression of increasing lifespan could throw them in there, too.

I like these ideas, Xefros’s power sure does seem to wear him out even though it is weak.  What if the highblood powers actually lengthen lifespan/heal long-term body deterioration as a side effect?  Powers that grant strength would seem to probably also grant longevity.  Then the midbloods who haven’t trained any powers (if we go by the language analogy, any natural ability they might have atrophies to the point where it can actually be used “natively” if they don’t train it at all during the critical period) would have the natural troll lifespan, while the lowbloods have artificially short lifespans and the highbloods have artificially long ones.  Jadebloods seem like they’d be special given that they are rare and have a special role and also rainbow drinkers, so I can buy that they have a naturally longer lifespan than most other trolls (or maybe they all become rainbow drinkers eventually, which lengthens their lifespan in less natural ways).

paradoxcase:

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zenosanalytic:

paradoxcase:

zelda64l:

paradoxcase:

Brawler would probably be Indigos because they are described as being inherently strong, which confirms this trait is caste-wide and not just limited to Equius.

Yeah, could be!

I actually kind of dislike how Hiveswap is making all the traits of the Homestuck trolls out to be caste-specific.  Like, some, sure, but all of them?  Kind of retconning all of their uniqueness as individuals.

Yeah, and I could’ve sworn it was specified in Homestuck that these traits were unique or at the very least, rare.

Traits such as:
Mind Control in Cobaltbloods (Vriska’s powers are rare and only seen in Cobalts)
Extreme Strength (Was implied to be an Equius only thing.)

Traits such as Animal Communion, Telekinesis, and Psionics, and chucklevoodoos, however, were implied to be common place in their respective castes.

Also, and I don’t know how this will go, but, I remember Aranea sharing details on gender ratios in blood castes.
Jades are more likely to be female, Cobalts to be male, Indigoes to be male, and Purples to be male.

Aranea didn’t say anything about gender, pretty sure.  We know that jade-bloods are always female from when we originally meet Kanaya, and Porrim was the one who said that “highbloods” other than Tyrian are more commonly male, but we don’t know which highbloods she meant.  I had a headcanon that involved most of Gamzee’s and Eridan’s castes being male, but I don’t think anything was said about Vriska’s caste at any point.  I don’t suspect it will matter, since we’re unlikely to meet enough trolls that demographics like that are actually meaningful.

Yeah, I figured most of them were unique from all the talk about “mutation” in Hivebent, and also the outsized roles their Ancestors played in Alternian history. Though I suppose, given Xefros’s constant refrain about how piddly his powers are(though there are other explanations for that), that what made the Player Ancestors stand out was the scale of their abilities and the level of control they had over them. That’s pretty explicit with the Psiioniic in particular, since Condy’s ship is said to be the fastest in the fleet a handful of times, implying most psionics are less able than Mituna and Sollux.

I think Hiveswap still leaves some wiggle room for powers being varied, though maybe in a sort of “general mutations for bloodcaste” way rather than by individual. I don’t recall Xefros saying anything about being able to commune with the dead or summon ghosts so Aradia’s abilities, beyond being much stronger than Xefros’s, may also be broader. Or maybe we’ll see him contact the dead in later acts.

There is another explanation of course: that all Troll psionics have the same source and can do the same wide range of stuff, but different castes are socialized to use/specialize in them differently, and different applications are difficult or dangerous without the proper training. Or, as with humans and languages, Trolls have the easiest time learning their psionic abilities when they’re young, and a progressively harder time the older they get without expanding those abilities. If that were the case, it’d provide a non-Role-related reason for Condy being able to use all the abilities of the other Troll Ancestors.

In Equius’s intro, it states that he knows the reason hes so incredibly STRONG is that he’s a freak of nature, not because of lusus milk. Also, Aurthur is said to be the strongest lusus available to indigos, but Equius bruises the poor guy with even a light pat, so we can say for sure that Equius is incredibly strong by the standards of his caste (and probably any caste). 

That said, the two roles that indigos fill in the Alternian military are ruffiannihilators, which by their name and what little information we are given about them, are likely shock troops that depend on brute force; and archeradicators, which depend, obviously on archery. Archery requires a lot more strength than people know – it’s a lot easier to swing a longsword than to draw a bow – and archery that has any degree of effect on a battlefield that has spaceships and laser guns definitely requires a level of strength that’s almost unimaginable, so indigos are definitely much stronger than most other castes.

My personal explanation for the line about how indigos crush everything they touch is that Xefros’s only experience with indigos is with indigos in lowblood subgrubs, where everything is so poorly made that most stuff could be destroyed easily by tealbloods, never mind indigos. Not to mention that he’s probably mostly met highbloods in the context of ruffianihilators (or ruffianihilators in training i suppose) invading and subjugating his subgrub, so they probably weren’t exactly trying not to destroy stuff. The reason he doesn’t think of violets as always crushing things is probably just that no one in his subgrub has done enough to merit an in person subjugglation .

Also, as i recall, it was mentioned in Homestuck somewhere (i think in discussion of the Vast Glub) that a low level of psionic power was pretty much the norm among lowbloods (hence yellows serving as batteries commonly enough that it’s implied to be the main way they power their ships), but most aren’t powerful enough to serve as much more than batteries, if even that, so Xefros’ level of psychic power is fairly canon compliant

Ok, I can buy that logic, that makes sense.  Hopefully we will not meet an Indigos who disprove this.

Oh, I forgot to say this in my original reblog, but pro stickball players are definitely exceptional in terms of their caste’s abilities, just by the nature of what pro athletes are

True, although Xefros is not a pro, and it’s just occurred to me that if there are Indigos on his team he might well be in frequent association with Indigos who logically should not be able to crush everything they touch.  But then again if the super strength is due to a’low-key psychic power like we’ve been discussing on the other thread, it’s possible that that is a caste trait.

TA: ju2t fuck me up – tatterdemalionAmberite (amberite), titianArchivist – Homestuck [Archive of Our Own]

Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Homestuck
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Sollux Captor/Meenah Peixes, Sollux Captor/Roxy Lalonde
Characters: Meenah Peixes, Sollux Captor, Roxy Lalonde
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe – Cyberpunk, Xeno, Bondage, Femdom, Size Difference, Orgasm Delay/Denial, Come Inflation, Helmsman, Tentabulges, Altered Mental States, Gillplay, Psionics, Messy, Crying
Summary:

“I ain’t opposed to getting my wetware wet,” she says. You think you could almost make out the words just from the movements of her lips against your ear, and that gets all down your spine even as part of you writhes in annoyance at a seadweller without any modifications beyond the cosmetic using the word wetware. Fuck it, it’s still hot.

TA: ju2t fuck me up – tatterdemalionAmberite (amberite), titianArchivist – Homestuck [Archive of Our Own]

FREE BAD PHYSICIST SERVICES: OH NO, MAGIC

isozyme:

dundee998 asked you: 
In a question about the popular AU Hemostuck, one of the authors answered, “I probably need to go learn more science before I can talk about how much psychic energy manipulation would interact with the visible light spectrum…” You can find the complete quote on the new searchable answers sheet they have on the blog. Do you have any ideas on this, or does this stray too far into magic?

I said that I don’t do magic* and I am really rotten at physics but I have a deep and possibly irrational fondness for Hemostuck,** so I am making an exception.***

Okay the basics of light emission are these; excite a molecule (by running a current through it or applying a whole bunch of heat) and the electrons will get all jumpy and move up to a higher energy level.  When the electrons fall back to a lower state, the energy has to go somewhere and that packet of energy is a photon of some wavelength or another.

Keep reading

evernotes dump: MIRTHFUL CHURCH OF LOWBLOODS

fleetbound:

Once upon a time, before the adults all got banished into space, an imperial paingineer sat down and thought:
hey, wouldn’t it be awesome if we could start installing pilots younger
and younger, so we can maximise their use before they die? And wouldn’t
it be excellent if we didn’t have to worry about high rates of psionic
suicide, or burn-out, because they’re so mentally devastated by
conscription?

Hence the lowblood sect of the worship of the Mirthful Messiah was started!

This
is basically a derivative form of the normal, ‘mainstream’ form of the
normal obscure cult. Think, in terms of how much your character might
know, in terms of LDS vs. Mormons, or Reform Judaism vs. Orthodox
Sephardic Judaism: outsiders probably think it’s all the same, insiders
probably know the difference, devout religious members of either sect
definitely do know the difference and will judge you heavily if you mix
them up. A Orthodox Greek priest may not believe that a LDS is actually Christian. A subjuggulator may not believe the psionics wearing half-paint are actually Mirthful. Same religion to outsiders, but devotees may not actually agree.

Being part of the church as an indigo is your
hatchright. Being part of the church as a blueblood is a blessing.
Everyone else is just shit out of luck – unless you’re in a cluster with
the lowblood sect and you’re a psionic, in which case, they will tell
you all about how you can overcome the inherent shittiness of your blood
and caste by eschewing them in favor of MiRaClEs. And also by becoming a
church ship upon conscription. CAN’T FORGET THAT PART.

Psionics
are allowed to wear partial paint,   call themselves Mirthful, and
they’re given church housing – basically,   blocks in old indigo hive
stems. They’re kept with food and medicine and kept healthy and fat
until conscription, largely protected from the general consequences of
lowblood allowances, but their life is generally still shitty. They’re
the lowest rung on a totem pole that says they’re literally dirt and
their only worth is in giving themselves entirely over, mind and body,
to the church when they’re 21.

In addition to that, being a
Mirthful as a psionic means that you’re giving your autonomy completely
up. You don’t get to live in your hive. You don’t get to choose what you
wear, what you eat, and your lifestyle is going to be fit around the
fact you’re having invasive surgeries until you’re installed in a
spaceship. Don’t do anything that could damage your ports!

Also, you’re surrounded by people who can use mind powers on you at any point, and there is shit all you can do about it.

In
the west coast’s capitol, which is where Riccin is located, the
Imperial Education Program is headed by Shepherd, and kids – after they
pass their psionic tests, and are taken in – are basically forced into
either following the Mirthful Messiahs or some
other religion that will indoctrinate them into accepting their roles.
Shit sucks. DON’T TAKE VOLUNTARY PSIONIC TESTING.

Riccin digs into the philosophies of the church here, here, and here.
AND PROBABLY ELSEWHERE TOO but fuck that i’m not going through all
their threads, they’re a horrible person.

ID  was a member of the sect, Iphige was a member of it
(and was placed on  Sunstrider, an indigo-captained ship, upon
conscription), OA is an active member  of it. Sipara attended Carnival
regularly as ID’s auspisticee  and Iphige’s clademate, but quickly
realised as the only non-psionic, she was ten seconds from being culled
and bailed.

Pheres has no idea about the different sects or anything. He thinks religion is dumb, the Dark Carnival is an especially stupid branch of it, and his knowledge of clowns amounts to “DUCK YOUR HORNS, SMILE A LOT, MENTION MIRACLES AND LOOK VERY (DOCILE-Y) ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT MIRACLES AND WHATEVER ELSE THEY’RE SAYING”. He does not fully understand why they’re more terrifying than any other highblood, though.